11:20 < stroan> one of the dependencies of maven in the apt repos is libvorbis
11:21 < stroan> I don't want to know the gordion knot of dependencies that results in that being installed
11:22 < nosmo> I had to package maven at one point
11:22 < nosmo> Yet another piece of shitty, shitty apache software
11:24 <@WEH> lol maven
11:25 <@WEH> and ant
11:25 < nosmo> :(
11:25 <@WEH> enterprise java is the worst thing
11:25 < pfarrel> what is their philosophy that results in everything sucking so bad?
11:26 <@WEH> use java
11:26 <@WEH> HAHA
11:26 < nosmo> "Everyone's computer will be the same as my desktop" seemingly
11:27 < nosmo> and FHS is a bad word
11:31 <@johnl> : - ) http://maven.apache.org/guides/development/guide-building-m2.html
11:31 < tooly> Title: Guide to Building Maven
11:31 <@johnl> still rage when apache calls itself httpd
11:33 < pfarrel> why does a project management tool need to bootstrap itself
11:33 < pfarrel> has it got its own VM, OS and compiler